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Hey painters, can't wait till Matt pumps out some pin striping tutorials but till then, I would like to see some discussion on brush painting.

I have brushed a few simple things like eyes before but I want to start doing more! I want to paint teeth, claws and line work.

So what is the best tips for paint and brushes when working with vinyl? Also interested in "traditional" toy painting methods regarding brush work :)



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Use the best brushes you can.  Yes, the thinner is going to kill them, but you need a fine bristles and good shapes.

 

That's about all I've got.  Every time I hand-brush something, and it comes out well, I'm a little amazed.

I use French Masters Lettering Quills and liners for brushing MK. They are around $12-$30 ea. I'm a dealer for them if any of you would like to try some.Or do a search for a dealer near you. Real squirrel hair so they stand up to the lacquer thinner abuse I put them through.

I will post about the brushes I use for pinstriping toys later.

Squirrel hair, huh?  I'm a big fan of red sables for detail work, but I am pretty abusive to my brushes and go through them kinda quickly.  Actually, I'm too lazy to replace them as often as I should, so I suffer on with wounded brushes and end up making avoidable mistakes.  Moral of the story is, take good care of your good brushes.

 

What specific info are you looking for?  General how to paint with a brush?  I would hit up some miniature painting sites for intro tutorials... Games Workshop usually has some decent intro articles, as does Brushthralls, although they haven't updated in ages.

I always keep my brushes oiled with "brush oil" Everything I use is solvent based for brushing so this oil keeps the brush like new in between uses.

 

I use super long brushes for all my detail work. It comes from my pinstripe training. Nagata saw me painting teeth one time and commented on how long my brush was.

Ben Mininberg said:

Squirrel hair, huh?  I'm a big fan of red sables for detail work, but I am pretty abusive to my brushes and go through them kinda quickly.  Actually, I'm too lazy to replace them as often as I should, so I suffer on with wounded brushes and end up making avoidable mistakes.  Moral of the story is, take good care of your good brushes.

 

What specific info are you looking for?  General how to paint with a brush?  I would hit up some miniature painting sites for intro tutorials... Games Workshop usually has some decent intro articles, as does Brushthralls, although they haven't updated in ages.

Haha .. Matt has looooong brushes ...  ;-P I use crappy cheap sable brushes from Utrecht art supplies, like 00-01 sizes ..

for dotting eyes, use the back end of the paint brush and "dot" the eyes ...

  squirrel hair. the more i spend on a tool, the better the tool is and usually the more attention i pay to keeping it tiptop. i have sable brushes that i trash the hell out of nonstop. i take good care of my squirrel hair ones..but they are no way as long as matt's. i would like to try a length like that..looks very flexible and smooth..but hard to control? i am curious, and it almost looks like a pinstriper without the angle. the first time i saw an old latin dude at my dad's shop doing pinstripe linework my jaw dropped. i always thought they were long thin vinyl or adhesive strips. how can you freehand paint that way? surgeon-like skill that i don't think i possess.

  as far as brushes for teeny detail work, there are many many brushes. i have different micro brushes that will hold just a tiny sphericle of paint almost to small to see...it is held in suspension by 2 little opposing 45degree angled "hairs" or fibers right at the very tip. pupils? dude, you could paint a pupil on a pupil on a pupil on a 1inch mini if thats your bag. i have heard of weirdos painting still lifes on grains of rice. no foolin.

  mr miniberg is totally exactly right. there are good folks who have been painting miniatures for generations, and to let their knowledge go to waste would be a shame. i have learned tons from men who have been painting civil war figures with ocd type detail..and amazing trains with entire towns all highly detailed. and modelers..? well, those guys are karazy with the helpful tips...some great websites and modeling societies. all helpful in their own way. many of the war miniature painters and train afficianados are retired now, and want to be helpful and see their art/technique appreciated...to know that someone anyone will be doing the work when they are gone. they dont seem to mind that what we do is just a bit different. most of them just seem to be thrilled we are engrossed in a creative hobby that uses our hands. i even sold a blank keronia to a miniature and train person last month. 68 years old and he wants to fire up his airbrush on a monster. he said he really liked what i was doing and wanted to see if it was as fun as it looked; i heard from him last week..after he had just discovered lulubele and grumble toy. so happy he sounded buzzed. 68 year old miniature and train addict. now how cool is it going to be with those kaiju trashing his trains and little sleepy towns? it will be awesome.

  i look forward to this thred growing with sweet tips. really looking forward to matt's pinstriping tips, as that is something i know nothing about at all.

Been reading this as people have been posting. Thanks for the tips! I know there are lots of miniature painters out there that can help but I wanted to see more of a vinyl toy side of things. Especially from everyone that posts here.

I will pick up some brushes that I can trash and some that I will look after. Sounds like the best way to go and practice like mad!
 i would like to be more comfortable and not just grab my brushes when it comes to claws, eyes and teeth; i am working on a balance slowly but surely. i think it may be difficult for me because i was a solely a brushman to begin with and hated the whole idea of the airbrush(a machine) as a brush. what an idiot...it is only a tool and no better or worse than a inkpen, hammer or a brush. i was being silly. i took me a long time to get comfortable with that metal thing in my hand and the airline attached - and now i am less comfortable with a brush? ridiculous. this weekend i will do a few rubs with lots of brushwork to try and start to get comfy with a brush again. I cant wait for the brushable paint for vinyl. and when matt has the time..he has to be a really busy paint elf..I cant wait to screw up some vinyl learning how to pinstripe a bit ;) ...already having good sport with the brushes on flat surfaces AND it has exposed me to artists and artforms that prior to this i knew only a little about - - all hybrid and crossculture/crossover is truly my soma; I love the whole idea of a hybrid anything. i seem to be able to experience art and design and the various movements and genres as a living organism made of many organs and systems all part of a greater whole. and i always have. as a tiny part of that whole, i cant tell you how much joy this whole vinyl thing gives me. this forum is a brilliant way of connecting us all in spacetime so we can learn from eachother while breaking the serious limitations of time and space. i can learn things from shane haddy in the shining tomorrowland of austrailia, and bob conge in greentreecovered somewhere beautiful usa...and lots of other highly creative peoples that mosey about on here. it is a nearacle of biblical proportions even. our humble ring of vinyl/resin painters and fabricators is shaping up to be something very special. i like that it is shaping up to be a seriously powerful teaching tool and not just a place to show our work. i like to learn as much as i can from other artists and i pick up new techniques like my pockets pick up lint. go mk!
Im glad to see some brush painters on mk, I have a question for those that may have an answer. have any of you used the clearcoat with brushes? I'm not sure I want to risk a freshly painted toy to inexperience in this area. id love to see my monsterkolor shine but am hesitating. thanks

hey, I use clear coat touching up after final clear coating any spots I have missed .. however it's my experience that to only use a brush to apply your first coat of clear coat is risky .. you may pull up some of the paint you laid down on the figure. Best to test it on a "junk" toy to see if it will work for you ... I'll let anyone else post their thoughts on it ....or tips !

Thanks mark.



mark nagata said:

hey, I use clear coat touching up after final clear coating any spots I have missed .. however it's my experience that to only use a brush to apply your first coat of clear coat is risky .. you may pull up some of the paint you laid down on the figure. Best to test it on a "junk" toy to see if it will work for you ... I'll let anyone else post their thoughts on it ....or tips !

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